angryprumphs
11:33 Sun Mar 7
Re: Arsene Wenger's new offside law
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 11:20 Sun Mar 7
100% this, not even sure what the issue is. Although i would say, thicker line = onside unless clear daylight. Give the advantage to the attacker.
Also, am I the only person who really likes the new offside flagging rule. The goal at the weekend was a perfect example of why it works. Not sure why everyone is so confused by it.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
11:25 Sun Mar 7
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Wenger's change makes no sense at all and will not result in more goals.
All it will do is move the area of controversy about a foot nearer to the goal. The arguments will be the same, the lines will still have to be drawn and attackers and defenders will adjust their runs and positioning to the new law resulting in no extra goals at all.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
11:20 Sun Mar 7
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Make the line thicker and the line belongs to the referee/lino.
Easy peasy.
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chim chim cha boo
9:17 Sun Mar 7
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As a video editor I can tell you for sure that you could give an offside or not purely by stopping the video where you wanted to make your point.
When shooting at 50 frames per second do you judge the offside from where the ball hits the player's foot or from where it LEAVES the player's foot?
These people are top athletes scrambling into a forward position in which to score a goal. You'd be surprised at the amount of time it takes for a ball to come into contact with a football boot and the time it takes to leave the player's foot. The better and more skilled the player, the longer it will take. The player of course isn't even aware of that fact as it's all muscle memory anyway.
In a lot of cases it can easily be a couple of seconds for clear daylight to emerge from the ball and the player's foot, which is plenty of time to let your referee instincts to deliberately or not deliberately cloud your judgement as a nostril strays offside.
Add in the 'I was bullied at school'/ 'I'm in charge' and 'everyone is here to watch me' nature of refereeing and you'll easily see that VAR actually solves fuck all.
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Manuel
5:03 Sun Mar 7
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Brighton's second goal would have stood with this new law.
Yes, the tape measure will still have to come out but the fact of the matter is there will be more goals standing, which surely can only be a good thing.
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Iron Duke
2:16 Sun Mar 7
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I’ve heard other people suggest this idea. I’m not letting Wenger take the credit.
The suggestion makes sense though
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Sniper
9:02 Sat Mar 6
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What Trundle said
The issue is that offside was brought in the prevent goal hanging
Then it was refined using players being ‘active’ and ‘interfering’ and then ‘phased of play’ to stop awful early 90s arsenal style offside traps
And now it’s being looked at in minute detail by morons drawing lines against random body parts.
Just say it goes by the chest of the player. Or the head. And/or just use the naked eye ina replay not lines, and Instead of comparing the position of a strikers underarm hair to a defenders shoelace. Just apply even 1% common sense.
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Mex Martillo
8:47 Sat Mar 6
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Sounds good to me.
They will still need to properly define when the ball is kicked. A second difference in that can obviously translate to cm differences when they draw their lines.
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Far Cough
2:59 Sat Mar 6
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Do away with offside altogether, bring back goal hanging :-)
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Lee Trundle
2:55 Sat Mar 6
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If VAR is still being used and taking everything to the nth degree, then this will still be shit.
All you're doing is moving the problem a little back the other way.
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Dr Matt
2:23 Sat Mar 6
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What’s the difference, still comes down to a mm decision?
Just means it’s harder to be offside.
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Westside
2:21 Sat Mar 6
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Good law. VAR isn't good enough to pin point exactly when the ball was kicked so saying a player is 1 mm offside is wrong.
If VAR isn't accurate enough, then linemen certainly aren't. Must be guessing on a lot of decisions, especially when the ball is kicked forward a long distance, from the player who will receive it.
If 1mm of daylight isn't offside, then how many? What ever measure/margin of error you use to determine offside, there will always be marginal calls, where a player is 1mm over that limit. Which seems to upset people.
I'm talking being in an offside position here, not interfering with play debates.
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Coffee
2:19 Sat Mar 6
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That's no way to talk to gph. Behave yourself!
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threesixty
2:19 Sat Mar 6
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I said this the other day on another thread. Didnt realise Wenger was actually going to push it through. Makes complete sense and will lead to far more goals and less of this "defensive block" stuff. Be very risky holding a line, you'd need to push forward 100% of commit to man marking.
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Manuel
2:18 Sat Mar 6
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Oh look, Mr no life stalking again. I'd love to see this site come down so cunts like you are fucked.
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gph
2:18 Sat Mar 6
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Pretty sure I've actually seen this proposal on here, before I heard of Wenger pushing it.
Of course, I don't know Wenger's username on WHO...
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Coffee
2:13 Sat Mar 6
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Manuel 2:11 Sat Mar 6
You mean people wetting their knickers?
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Manuel
2:11 Sat Mar 6
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Still people bitching. Moan, fucking moan.
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ludo21
2:08 Sat Mar 6
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Will still need ridiculous lines being drawn to decide if there is 'daylight'.
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Far Cough
2:06 Sat Mar 6
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If you think offside in football is hard to understand, try offside in ice hockey, they have "Icing" as well, that goes completely over my head
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Grumpster
2:01 Sat Mar 6
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As with most footie laws they just need a bit of common sense.
Most normal fans when seeing an offside goal by 2 inches before var wouldn't complain about it, you'd just understand why it wasn't seen and feel a tiny bit aggrieved, it was the ones like the Liverpool goal against us a couple of years ago that was a metre office that really fucked you off, as you knew plain amd simple the officials were being biased towards certain clubs and cheating. Easily wiped out looking at it for 2 seconds. Anything that requires lines being put over here there and everywhere to determine a blokes hard on being offside is simply killing the game, yet blatant cheating and diving is massively acceptable still.
Odd cunts run the game, that's for sure.
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